Rod Guides

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What mathematical models are used for the placement of guides on fishing rod?

I saw this question just now on answers, but the answers were rather ambiguos. It got me wondering whether there really is a mathematical model to place the guides?

It's called trial and error. Different rods have different bends and tapers, and whether the rod is spinning, conventional, or fly matters a lot. Because all rods bend more near the tip, guides tend to be more closely spaced near the tip, but that's the only really good rule.

With a spinning rod (guides underneath) the first (biggest) guide has to be far enough from the reel that it doesn't cut down on casting distance, but close enough that when the rod bends it isn't too fat off the perpendicular. From there on, the number and layout of the spinning guides are set by trying to minimize the amount the line has to bend at each one when the rod is bent.

On fly rods, it's important to keep the line following the curve of the rod while casting, so they tend to have a lot of small guides.

With a conventional (or baitcasting) rod, the main thing you want is to keep the line from rubbing the blank between the guides when the rod is bent, so you need enough guides, spaced correctly, to prevent this. The number and placement depends very much on the characteristics of the blank.

When I was building my first rods 30+ years ago (conventional saltwater rods), I tried to come up with a mathematical progression for spacing the guides, I tried arithmetical (that is, each space between guides was 3/4 of an inch more than the one before it) and geometrical (each space was 15% longer than the previous), and none of them worked -- that is, the line rubbed between some guides and was well off the rod in other spaces.

What I ended up doing was just taping the guides to the blank pretty much by eye, running a line through them, and bending the rod, then adjusting the spacing until the line didn't touch the blank anywhere. Then when I later made another rod of the same length but a different action, I found that the spacing on the first rod didn't work for the second.

So no, there's no easy mathematical model.

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